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		<title>By: Santosh</title>
		<link>http://www.mahesh.com/2009/01/19/is-indian-language-on-the-net-really-pathetic/comment-page-1#comment-9121</link>
		<dc:creator>Santosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mahesh,

I beg IAMAI to discredit the crawler they used to calculate the number they&#039;ve reported. Is this FUD at it&#039;s worst? The web crawler they&#039;re using obviously did not start with Google.com. A simple search for the keyword हिन्दी returns well over 37,400,000!

&gt; Better text editors which have both 
&gt; transliteration (English phonetic keyboard) 
&gt; and Inscript (common keyboard layout for all &gt; languages)

We are working on a third alternative that is easy to pick up and use called Lipikaar. 

- Santosh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mahesh,</p>
<p>I beg IAMAI to discredit the crawler they used to calculate the number they&#8217;ve reported. Is this FUD at it&#8217;s worst? The web crawler they&#8217;re using obviously did not start with Google.com. A simple search for the keyword हिन्दी returns well over 37,400,000!</p>
<p>&gt; Better text editors which have both<br />
&gt; transliteration (English phonetic keyboard)<br />
&gt; and Inscript (common keyboard layout for all &gt; languages)</p>
<p>We are working on a third alternative that is easy to pick up and use called Lipikaar. </p>
<p>- Santosh</p>
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		<title>By: Natkeeran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natkeeran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a good analysis.  I don’t know much about IMAI, but are they genuinely interested in local language development.   If so, how come their site is not even in Hindi.  

Second, as you noted local languages are not in a competition.  They can all improve.  

Governments are missing a huge opportunity.  Web technologies can make the government more transparent, efficient, and accountable.  Not just for filling out the forms, static information but for budget planning and policy development.  For instance what if the expense accounts of all the mps are online.  What if all the government programs and their cost, benefits, reach, and timeline are online.  This is huge, and officially they have to be in local languages.  But they are clueless about how to create large data base driven web sites in local languages.  It can been done (http://www.tamilmanam.net/).  The knowledge base is there.  They have to use it.

For all their talk about Tamil, TamilNadu government must be shamed about the state Tamil in their hundreds of websites.  90% are in English.  Most db based sites are almost completely in English.  Do they not care, or are they ignorant.

Teaching local language typing is the basis for local language computing.  Google has provided a Hindi automatic translation engine.  It is theoretically possible to have similar engines for other languages.  Even if Google does not do it, is not upto the governments to working on such projects.  

Ignorance is not  excuse, they should ramp up their efforts.  

For Tamil informational web sites listings see:
http://ta.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:Tamil_Websites

In addition there are ezines, and news sites.  

There is a sizable blogging community.  2500 seems to be a fair number.

Malayalam wiki is probably number one in terms of quality.  Number of articles along is not a good indication.  The depth must also be accounted for.  A simple technique is to click Random Article for a give number of time and see how many are not place holder or single sentence articles.  

Good article.    Very interested about Indian languages computing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a good analysis.  I don’t know much about IMAI, but are they genuinely interested in local language development.   If so, how come their site is not even in Hindi.  </p>
<p>Second, as you noted local languages are not in a competition.  They can all improve.  </p>
<p>Governments are missing a huge opportunity.  Web technologies can make the government more transparent, efficient, and accountable.  Not just for filling out the forms, static information but for budget planning and policy development.  For instance what if the expense accounts of all the mps are online.  What if all the government programs and their cost, benefits, reach, and timeline are online.  This is huge, and officially they have to be in local languages.  But they are clueless about how to create large data base driven web sites in local languages.  It can been done (<a href="http://www.tamilmanam.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.tamilmanam.net/</a>).  The knowledge base is there.  They have to use it.</p>
<p>For all their talk about Tamil, TamilNadu government must be shamed about the state Tamil in their hundreds of websites.  90% are in English.  Most db based sites are almost completely in English.  Do they not care, or are they ignorant.</p>
<p>Teaching local language typing is the basis for local language computing.  Google has provided a Hindi automatic translation engine.  It is theoretically possible to have similar engines for other languages.  Even if Google does not do it, is not upto the governments to working on such projects.  </p>
<p>Ignorance is not  excuse, they should ramp up their efforts.  </p>
<p>For Tamil informational web sites listings see:<br />
<a href="http://ta.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:Tamil_Websites" rel="nofollow">http://ta.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:Tamil_Websites</a></p>
<p>In addition there are ezines, and news sites.  </p>
<p>There is a sizable blogging community.  2500 seems to be a fair number.</p>
<p>Malayalam wiki is probably number one in terms of quality.  Number of articles along is not a good indication.  The depth must also be accounted for.  A simple technique is to click Random Article for a give number of time and see how many are not place holder or single sentence articles.  </p>
<p>Good article.    Very interested about Indian languages computing.</p>
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		<title>By: Anubhami</title>
		<link>http://www.mahesh.com/2009/01/19/is-indian-language-on-the-net-really-pathetic/comment-page-1#comment-8393</link>
		<dc:creator>Anubhami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 05:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please see http://www.kiruba.com/2009/01/photologue-of-tamil-wikipedia-academy.html which shows how active languages are on Wikipedia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please see <a href="http://www.kiruba.com/2009/01/photologue-of-tamil-wikipedia-academy.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.kiruba.com/2009/01/photologue-of-tamil-wikipedia-academy.html</a> which shows how active languages are on Wikipedia</p>
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		<title>By: Kumar_N</title>
		<link>http://www.mahesh.com/2009/01/19/is-indian-language-on-the-net-really-pathetic/comment-page-1#comment-8287</link>
		<dc:creator>Kumar_N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mahesh,
 
Here&#039;s the link: http://www.andhrajyothy.com/sunday/sundayshow.asp?qry=2009/18-1/coverstory
 
To paraphrase the last paragraph in the article:
 
With 41,806 articles, 81,607 pages, and 7,906 users, Telugu Wiki is in the number one position among all Indian languages.The national language Hindi has 24,265 articles though it has 9,449 users.Tamil is in the 6th place(?) with 16,380 pages and 5,993 users.
 
My point: Wiki is a good example of UGC. Can we assume that atleast 75% of Wiki contributors will have their own blogs (all of them may not be updated frequently)? Personally, I belong to TeluguBlog google group, but I blog in English :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mahesh,</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the link: <a href="http://www.andhrajyothy.com/sunday/sundayshow.asp?qry=2009/18-1/coverstory" rel="nofollow">http://www.andhrajyothy.com/sunday/sundayshow.asp?qry=2009/18-1/coverstory</a></p>
<p>To paraphrase the last paragraph in the article:</p>
<p>With 41,806 articles, 81,607 pages, and 7,906 users, Telugu Wiki is in the number one position among all Indian languages.The national language Hindi has 24,265 articles though it has 9,449 users.Tamil is in the 6th place(?) with 16,380 pages and 5,993 users.</p>
<p>My point: Wiki is a good example of UGC. Can we assume that atleast 75% of Wiki contributors will have their own blogs (all of them may not be updated frequently)? Personally, I belong to TeluguBlog google group, but I blog in English <img src='http://www.mahesh.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kumar_N</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kumar_N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 10:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok..I checked the source again (it is in Telugu !), and it says there are around 1500 active Telugu blogs, which is second only to Tamil.

But in Wiki, Telugu Wikipedia has more articles (42,039) than Hindi (24,500) and Tamil (16,657).

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Complete_list_of_language_Wikipedias_available


The number of articles show that even though no. of Telugu bloggers is less, they are far more active than the average blogger.And if we look at the Telugu film sites, the monetization factor is quite obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok..I checked the source again (it is in Telugu !), and it says there are around 1500 active Telugu blogs, which is second only to Tamil.</p>
<p>But in Wiki, Telugu Wikipedia has more articles (42,039) than Hindi (24,500) and Tamil (16,657).</p>
<p><a href="http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Complete_list_of_language_Wikipedias_available" rel="nofollow">http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Complete_list_of_language_Wikipedias_available</a></p>
<p>The number of articles show that even though no. of Telugu bloggers is less, they are far more active than the average blogger.And if we look at the Telugu film sites, the monetization factor is quite obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: Kumar_N</title>
		<link>http://www.mahesh.com/2009/01/19/is-indian-language-on-the-net-really-pathetic/comment-page-1#comment-8271</link>
		<dc:creator>Kumar_N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 10:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recently, a Telugu newspaper trawled the Net and they annlunced the number of Telugu blogs as the highest among all Indian languages.And Telugu Wiki has more pages than any language other than English. Please check your facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently, a Telugu newspaper trawled the Net and they annlunced the number of Telugu blogs as the highest among all Indian languages.And Telugu Wiki has more pages than any language other than English. Please check your facts.</p>
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		<title>By: Sanjay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sanjay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 05:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess Mahesh is bang on. While Hindi has a large  demographics base, the south Indian (all four markets - Tamil, Kannada, Malayalam and Telugu - in varying proportion have higher literacy and internet awareness. Also the Monetization of SI market is perhaps better. Yes, Mobile, local language will be a potent mix to take this market into a new orbit. Its also a chicken and egg situation, if you do not have content, you cannot have readers and if readers are not visible, content creators are reluctant to produce content.  Look at the regional language newspapers. How have they grown in the last few years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess Mahesh is bang on. While Hindi has a large  demographics base, the south Indian (all four markets &#8211; Tamil, Kannada, Malayalam and Telugu &#8211; in varying proportion have higher literacy and internet awareness. Also the Monetization of SI market is perhaps better. Yes, Mobile, local language will be a potent mix to take this market into a new orbit. Its also a chicken and egg situation, if you do not have content, you cannot have readers and if readers are not visible, content creators are reluctant to produce content.  Look at the regional language newspapers. How have they grown in the last few years.</p>
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